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Post by Ullz on Sept 14, 2010 12:40:04 GMT -5
I like that post by Mitch!!!
Even I'd missed the part of Town win con being "killing all non-Town".
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Post by normalphase on Sept 14, 2010 13:17:13 GMT -5
I quite enjoyed it, mle; you're welcome.
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Post by normalphase on Sept 14, 2010 13:35:33 GMT -5
Come on Squink, you can see it, right? All non-town dead as a win condition for town does not mesh with a claimed third party survivor, who purports to win with town but is not of them.
Now granted if I was in the game still I'd be just as likely to dismiss it as a null tell due to the potential for mod carelessness (except for it being Ed, in which case confirmation bias would sail me on through), but still. It makes sense!
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Post by Ullz on Sept 14, 2010 13:42:56 GMT -5
If Metallic Squink keep it up, she might take a lot of heat from the scum toMorrow...
It's very easy to jump from "didn't see it in the PM" --> "didn't have that in her PM".
Still got to hand it to Mitch. I think it's a really nice catch. I better be prepare for some questions in green coming up...
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Post by Ullz on Sept 14, 2010 14:03:31 GMT -5
I'd be all over her for this:
You are saying that Ed claims not to be a threat to town and yet your win-condition says you have to eliminate all threats to town.
Why did she say "your" win-condition? It sounds as if hers were different. And based on the fact that she already have been proven to have had a Town-PM in this game makes me wonder why she didn't check her own before posting.
Also makes me think that the part of subbing back a former vanilla (Town) to a game might not be as "kosher" as I used to think...
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Post by normalphase on Sept 14, 2010 14:18:44 GMT -5
As long as the vanilla PM is public I don't see a serious issue with it. In this particular case, as I implied at the time, I had some doubts about Metallic Squink replacing Lucifer in particular, because she really went at him on day one. That can't help but put her in an awkward position off the bat.
If someone points out "your" win condition, I bet it's one of the scum. Just a personal theory of mine.
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romola
Every time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy"...
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Post by romola on Sept 14, 2010 14:56:14 GMT -5
Ullz, please approve me for the scummy board!!!!
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Post by Ullz on Sept 14, 2010 14:57:36 GMT -5
Ullz, please approve me for the scummy board!!!! Done - have fun
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romola
Every time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy"...
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Post by romola on Sept 14, 2010 17:15:22 GMT -5
Ooh, ed is SO good at this!
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Post by Ullz on Sept 15, 2010 5:44:44 GMT -5
Ooh, ed is SO good at this! He's also good at this
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Post by Ullz on Sept 15, 2010 5:46:00 GMT -5
I'm curious:
If you had been given the role of Jane Austen. What would you have played? Scum or Town?
I would have taken Town and wasn't at all sure what Ed would (but hopes he choose Scum, because that would make the game more fun to follow, I think).
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Post by normalphase on Sept 15, 2010 7:26:27 GMT -5
Depend on my mood at the time. There've been times I was desperate for a mafia role, and times I've been thinking "not mafia, please not mafia, please!"
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Post by Ullz on Sept 15, 2010 7:37:53 GMT -5
I always think that: "not mafia, please not mafia, please!"That's why the Malazan-game was so hard for me to play. I was sure I wouldn't be scum - for there weren't suppose to be any! And then I ended up as the only Big Time Baddie in the game
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Post by Ullz on Sept 15, 2010 8:14:43 GMT -5
I think it was NAF saying it first. But it's almost always true.
Day 3 is the turning point of the games.
Day 1 and 2 always seem to be going good for Scum. The way we balance the games they seem ahead at first.
After that Day 3 is when both teams seem to be most equal. Town has gain data/informations enough to really start picking out scum. That is - of course - if Town participate and look for Scum.
And then the games swings in favour of Town the longer it goes on. With more deaths and more reveals. Town gain more and more power form all the informations and voting patterns and so on.
Watching as a mod - Day 3 is always where I hold my breath!
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Post by author on Sept 15, 2010 14:54:37 GMT -5
Heya. On the Archangel. The Guardians in Malazan also protected players against all actions aimed at whoever they protected. They also had a restriction against protecting themselves, or other Guardians. (Mostly. We missed a trick.) However, they were vulnerable to redirection powers; if redirected, a Guardian would protect whoever they were redirected onto. On the paranoid Doc. There's a certain logical contradiction in allowing them to self-protect. If they protect themselves, they prevent their own use of the power, so they can't protect themselves. If you don't allow them to self-protect, things are much simpler. Fun game, especially Ed. (I must tell my fiancee what I found out).
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Post by Ullz on Sept 15, 2010 15:00:57 GMT -5
On the paranoid Doc. There's a certain logical contradiction in allowing them to self-protect. If they protect themselves, they prevent their own use of the power, so they can't protect themselves. If you don't allow them to self-protect, things are much simpler. Fun game, especially Ed. (I must tell my fiancee what I found out). I'll remember this next time. I love the dilemma of a paranoid doc - and have ever since I was one in Story's "Evil Dead". I think he solved the problem with me being safe at Night unless something happened to me. Maybe I should take a closer look at his game again.
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Post by normalphase on Sept 15, 2010 16:05:00 GMT -5
I also love paranoid doc. I've played the role once and collaborated with one once (in a game that allowed private chat). Good fun.
And I still think Squinkifer (heh) should have been protect/blocking Bill the whole time.
Tonight should be interesting.
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Post by Ullz on Sept 15, 2010 16:10:31 GMT -5
Seems like Mitch will protect Duvsie. And Buff will spend the Night with Ed
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Post by normalphase on Sept 16, 2010 11:36:15 GMT -5
I think you mean "Bill dies" right now, unless Squink puts in orders to protect him?
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Post by Ullz on Sept 16, 2010 12:03:57 GMT -5
Yes, sorry - my mistake!!
I know it's easy to see it all once you know it all. But I find it somehow strange that Scum haven't even discussed that maybe all female town might be power roles and tried to kill them.
At Endgame Bill would (as a mason) be a problem, but I think right now it would haven been better for them to try and kill Squink or Moody. And after the name claim Scum has a lot of clues of what they might aim for. But they don't even seem to care about that.
But as I said. It's easy for me to see - because I know what to look for!
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Post by billmc on Sept 17, 2010 10:57:19 GMT -5
I see my first instincts about Ed and Cap were right. And 5 scum? deary me
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And after the spanking...
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Post by billmc on Sept 17, 2010 11:17:55 GMT -5
Ya know - I could almost consider your response to my question in the mason thread gastard.
Ben was not in the original mason PM, and when he was added to the Masons, it was clear something had changed in the game.
Hence why I asked whether anyone's wincon could change
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Post by auburn on Sept 17, 2010 11:49:47 GMT -5
OK, I am still confused, which is bad since I am scum and should understand more of what is going on. haha.
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Post by Ullz on Sept 17, 2010 13:14:47 GMT -5
Ya know - I could almost consider your response to my question in the mason thread gastard. Ben was not in the original mason PM, and when he was added to the Masons, it was clear something had changed in the game. Hence why I asked whether anyone's wincon could change I disagree. Jane Austen's wincon didn't change. She (he=Ed) had to choose before the game started. He was given an option. So it didn't change.
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Post by Ullz on Sept 17, 2010 13:19:37 GMT -5
Moody Mitchy might have a point with this
Why protect BillMc Night 1
but after the NK of the first mason (and thereby proving there were masons in the game and Bill was in fact one) this no longer holds up.
I agree that the protectors should have guarded the masons better. As we get closer to Endgame the value of the masons increase. They should have been better protected...
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Post by Ullz on Sept 17, 2010 13:20:30 GMT -5
OK, I am still confused, which is bad since I am scum and should understand more of what is going on. haha. But you're free to ask anything you want to. Not all is clear in a game coming form me and my little head
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And after the spanking...
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Post by billmc on Sept 17, 2010 13:37:58 GMT -5
Ya know - I could almost consider your response to my question in the mason thread gastard. Ben was not in the original mason PM, and when he was added to the Masons, it was clear something had changed in the game. Hence why I asked whether anyone's wincon could change I disagree. Jane Austen's wincon didn't change. She (he=Ed) had to choose before the game started. He was given an option. So it didn't change. Guess it depends on your definition of when the game started. Ed made his decision after Night 0 started - so his wincon did change from "choose" to scum or town
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Post by Ullz on Sept 17, 2010 13:58:13 GMT -5
I disagree. Jane Austen's wincon didn't change. She (he=Ed) had to choose before the game started. He was given an option. So it didn't change. Guess it depends on your definition of when the game started. Ed made his decision after Night 0 started - so his wincon did change from "choose" to scum or town Too me it's like this: a) He didn't have a wincon before he chose one. He was offered two - but could only have one. Which ever one he chose. b) Night 0 is for confirming - especially when Nights are fluff only - so to me the game started Day 1. I'm very sorry if you feel I've acted as a gastard Mod. I've tried very hard to keep this game fair - but sometimes decisions have to be made. I'm not perfect, but I have tried to keep the game fair to all.
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romola
Every time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy"...
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Post by romola on Sept 18, 2010 8:20:37 GMT -5
Dunno about Captain's wisdom in posting 'results' in Star Trek languages. Anyone with any nous would work out that scum are unlikely to be posting exclusively in Romulan or Klingon, indicating that they aren't taken randomly from the scum board. Come on town!
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romola
Every time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy"...
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Post by romola on Sept 18, 2010 8:22:58 GMT -5
Heh, if I had fake claimed eavesdropper, I would post invented snippets in Jane Austen language and indicate that I thought they were taken at random but Austenated before they got to me.
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