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Post by Ullz on Sept 11, 2010 2:29:29 GMT -5
Zeener knows what Willoughby does but not who Willoughby is? I need to read the setup. He's told every "action" but don't know the identity of Willoughby. Also he doesn't know "what" the action is. Only to whom it's directed. However it's a game-mechanism and not an action preformed by Zeener. So he can't be blocked or redirected. The scum-redirector don't have must power left in this game. Unless used on Emma Woodhouse/Lucifer/Metallic Squink as a block-power (MS is a paranoid doc that blocks while protecting). |
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Post by normalphase on Sept 11, 2010 9:23:35 GMT -5
Haha, I just checked my facts on something and Ed has a heck of a scum tell going on that I don't think I'm going to tell anyone about.  |
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Post by normalphase on Sept 11, 2010 9:25:47 GMT -5
Thanks, pending approval. |
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Post by normalphase on Sept 11, 2010 9:30:29 GMT -5
"Exactly.
I also know who Mr Elton is. "
Crapola. She just made it easier for Auburn to handwave away the "cad" role as not actually being a villain. It was good odds that given the option, Auburn would have lied. And she brings up a name claim two posts later, which ... gah.
I kinda love Mitchy right now, though. Given it's him and the reactions people usually have to his style, the vote is as likely to backfire as anything -- but still, it's all correct. Love ya, Mitchy.
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Post by normalphase on Sept 11, 2010 12:38:50 GMT -5
Ooooh, Ed and buff are making me crazy. Where's my smite button?!?!  The vanilla assumption for Mr Elton is also quite upsetting. *sigh* I don't think we're gonna win this one, Ulla. Separately -- are you actually looking for a sub for Ben? If you are, I have a couple more friends I could try to recruit, though joining on day 4 would be no picnic. |
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Post by normalphase on Sept 12, 2010 9:59:36 GMT -5
You didn't have a case against Zuma, Ed; that's half the problem here. Cases against plenty of other people, but nothing to speak of against Zuma. Yet you voted for him anyway.
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Post by Ullz on Sept 12, 2010 11:32:24 GMT -5
Separately -- are you actually looking for a sub for Ben? If you are, I have a couple more friends I could try to recruit, though joining on day 4 would be no picnic. He said "he might have to sub" and I answered that if he wanted to, I'd find a sub. But since then I haven't heard from him. At this point in the game it's hurting Town - however I can't sub him out without having his approval of it  |
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Post by Ullz on Sept 12, 2010 11:33:26 GMT -5
Thanks, pending approval. Has buff approved it? I can't see it over there (also: change the skin so you don't burn off your eyes. The default kind of went a bit wrong for us  ) |
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Post by Ullz on Sept 12, 2010 11:38:13 GMT -5
The vanilla assumption for Mr Elton is also quite upsetting. *sigh* I don't think we're gonna win this one, Ulla. I think this "name claim" will hurt town ATM. Duvsie can only pick 1 to investigate at Night - but without telling what powers they have, chances are that Metallic protects AND block her... It would be great for Town if Mitch kept protecting her, so the Scum can't redirect or block her. Because Scum seems to think she's no danger as long as they do that. What I find a bit strange about the case of the "Scum" and the "..." from the Scum Thread is, that I often tend to do that. So it could in fact be sniped bits of me saying stuff or answering questions. If I was Ed, I'd bring that up as well. Could be mod-qoutes as well. (I like Mitchy too. He shouldn't write stuff about him not being a good players. he plays his way - but he sure has got some good points in this game.). |
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Post by Ullz on Sept 12, 2010 11:38:50 GMT -5
I'm running out of names. The Scum are asking for fake PMs ATM *lol*
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Post by normalphase on Sept 12, 2010 19:32:24 GMT -5
Heh, I see that. I have no idea what will happen this Day. I feel sort of bad for Squink. I think the Day off might have hurt her (as joining late did me), because I don't think she's right about anything right now. She's the obvious scape[some one tried to type g-o-a-t and got this instead  because I'm an evil admin as well] if some of her false conclusions are proven wrong, especially given my suspicion of Lucifer, and her guessing my death was connected to comments I made to Locked (as opposed to her, Ed or bufftabby). |
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Post by normalphase on Sept 12, 2010 19:37:06 GMT -5
Oh, and I got the scum thread approval. "right for the wrong reasons", my butt. Haha.
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Post by Ullz on Sept 13, 2010 2:03:46 GMT -5
Heh, I see that. I have no idea what will happen this Day. I feel sort of bad for Squink. I think the Day off might have hurt her (as joining late did me), because I don't think she's right about anything right now. She's the obvious scape[some one tried to type g-o-a-t and got this instead because I'm an evil admin as well] if some of her false conclusions are proven wrong, especially given my suspicion of Lucifer, and her guessing my death was connected to comments I made to Locked (as opposed to her, Ed or bufftabby). And Scum now have reasons to assume she's a power role and her lynch might be something they'll push hard for. I'm wondering if Cap is going to get away with his claim. It seems a lot is accepting it... |
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Post by Ullz on Sept 13, 2010 2:20:02 GMT -5
What is Zeener up to?? He wrote: I wanted to be back and fully involved in further discussions, not coming back and finding a bandwagon started upon me because I wasn't here to answer questions.But still didn't share his magic bag. This could backfire if he's not careful. If Scum kill Duvsie toNight he might be more or less "proven" - but what if Metallic protect/block her? I've seen it happen in quite a lot of games. If the investigator is blocked and don't show up with results, often Town (guided by Scum) can turn on them and decide they claim was false... At least the game isn't boring |
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Post by Ullz on Sept 13, 2010 7:33:41 GMT -5
Now I feel almost Gastard.
Ed made this comment in the Scum Thread:
Either she's lying about her Night 2 investigation dying or she has a Day power.
I really didn't consider that they would consider a blocker/re-director to be unstoppable. But I'm having second thoughts now.
I just think that having a protector that can't self-protect will also lead to the protector being able to protect from more than "just" a kill.
I'd love to hear what others think of this...
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Post by Ullz on Sept 13, 2010 7:37:20 GMT -5
But wouldn't it have been even more Gastard to allow a Day-Town-Power in a game where all Scum-powers are Night-actions??
I think so...
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Post by normalphase on Sept 13, 2010 8:39:40 GMT -5
Heh, I see that. I have no idea what will happen this Day. I feel sort of bad for Squink. I think the Day off might have hurt her (as joining late did me), because I don't think she's right about anything right now. She's the obvious scape[some one tried to type g-o-a-t and got this instead because I'm an evil admin as well] if some of her false conclusions are proven wrong, especially given my suspicion of Lucifer, and her guessing my death was connected to comments I made to Locked (as opposed to her, Ed or bufftabby). And Scum now have reasons to assume she's a power role and her lynch might be something they'll push hard for. I'm wondering if Cap is going to get away with his claim. It seems a lot is accepting it... I would have, provisionally, until and unless Moody died and turned up town. Honestly I don't know what I would have done today vote-wise, issues of name-claims and power claim results aside. IIRC I had Moody down as tentatively town, which must by elimination make captain tentatively scum, but Ed's bus-job on him threw me for a loop given Bill's pre-standing vote on Zuma at the time. That was nicely done by him, I must say, despite the odd outcome. Moody's claim is going to be interesting for the scum, when it comes to that. They have to kill him, eventually, but once they do, captain goes next unless they can pull a rabbit out of their hat with the "that might just be Ulla" line of attack. I don't think I'd have bought that one -- certainly not with so many of my other suspects (including captain himself) pushing so hard on mitchy for so long. |
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Post by normalphase on Sept 13, 2010 8:40:57 GMT -5
Now I feel almost Gastard. Ed made this comment in the Scum Thread: Either she's lying about her Night 2 investigation dying or she has a Day power.I really didn't consider that they would consider a blocker/re-director to be unstoppable. But I'm having second thoughts now. I just think that having a protector that can't self-protect will also lead to the protector being able to protect from more than "just" a kill. I'd love to hear what others think of this... Can you explain all the powers in play a little more thoroughly? I don't think I really have a grasp on it myself. |
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Post by Ullz on Sept 13, 2010 13:00:37 GMT -5
Now I feel almost Gastard. Ed made this comment in the Scum Thread: Either she's lying about her Night 2 investigation dying or she has a Day power.I really didn't consider that they would consider a blocker/re-director to be unstoppable. But I'm having second thoughts now. I just think that having a protector that can't self-protect will also lead to the protector being able to protect from more than "just" a kill. I'd love to hear what others think of this... Can you explain all the powers in play a little more thoroughly? I don't think I really have a grasp on it myself. Sure I like to work with power-roles that have a twist to them. So Mitch is an "Archangel" and can't protect himself however he: Power: Archangle.
You can protect at Night if you so choose. But you can't protect yourself. Each Night you may target a player (other than yourself) to be safe from all actions against the player.The key thing here is the word "all actions". At the same time Lucifer/MS II is a paranoid doc and therefore know: Power: Paranoid Doc. You really want to help but by doing so you also can create a little problem for the people you target. Each Night as long as you live in the game, you may choose a player to protect. However by doing so, you will also block them from any action they might want to preform. So that would be protect as in "no one can kill them while you protect" |
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Post by Ullz on Sept 13, 2010 13:03:33 GMT -5
The Scum re-directed Duvsie to Bill last Night.
But Mitch protected her and so her investigation of Auburn did in fact go through.
But Scum seems to think this couldn't happen.
I don't understand why. But they seem dead-set on the idea that a re-director can't be kept away by a protector.
So I'm a bit worried if I somehow gave Mitch (Fanny Price) too much power while trying to balance this game...
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Post by normalphase on Sept 13, 2010 14:59:25 GMT -5
I don't know; I'm no great shakes at balancing. In theory I think it's fine to have a protective role of that sort, but in combination with a redirector who otherwise can redirect almost no one, it might be an issue. I still think the sheer numbers of mafia is their greatest strength here. They only need two more mis-lynches to win, if Ed is counting it right -- correct? (Or is it 3 -- but if it's 3 then a single correct protection won't help the town.)
I actually do have an issue with the paranoid doc role -- I do not that that one should be able to self-protect, either. Too much of an inherent contradiction.
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Post by normalphase on Sept 13, 2010 15:06:18 GMT -5
I think it is 3 ...
This might go right down to the wire. I think two mislynches will be a piece of cake for this scum team, especially given two inactive townies. The third? Dunno. All the mafia have at least one strike against them, that's one good thing for the town.
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Post by Ullz on Sept 13, 2010 15:08:13 GMT -5
I actually do have an issue with the paranoid doc role -- I do not that that one should be able to self-protect, either. Too much of an inherent contradiction. Yes. I did consider that as well. However the Archangel-role explicit says it can't selfprotect, while the paranoid doc-role don't seem to have that limitation. |
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Post by Ullz on Sept 13, 2010 15:12:07 GMT -5
But town still have to "protectors"... and Scum might get it wrong at Night... So to me it all seems fairly open yet |
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Post by normalphase on Sept 13, 2010 15:24:53 GMT -5
ullz.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=masonstalk&action=post&thread=45"e=513&page=1Poor Bill. Yeah by the end of all that I was so close to certain about Ed that I was no longer sure at all I would survive, but I never got around to saying so. I'm growing ever more convinced that qui bono has to be part of the analysis of any townie death barring perhaps the first night (during which, in my experience, scum are typically still so disorganized and unfocused that almost anyone might die). Certainly when the townie in question is the only person making a decent case on one or more players, alarm bells should be going off just a bit, and in a case like this where the townie in question argued vociferously *against* a scum lynch (or did something else comparatively "scummy") recently, it should be like all the bells of Chartres.
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Post by Ullz on Sept 14, 2010 8:26:15 GMT -5
Once the game is over I'll add that remark to the wiki under "famous last words".
But to be on the safe side I'm not going to before the game has ended.
The talk about "Mr." and "Captain" is a bit confusing to me. Maybe because I think of Mr. Darcy and Mr. Knightley like that - Mr.
They didn't really have a title - but they didn't need one. They had money and didn't have to have a career in the military.
But Wickham did. And he was a bad, bad boy!!
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Post by normalphase on Sept 14, 2010 10:54:48 GMT -5
I don't get the "Mr" business at all. Forget the canon -- you give cover roles, why would you deliberately make them distinguishable from the town ones?
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Post by Ullz on Sept 14, 2010 11:07:07 GMT -5
It kind of silly when you know Jane Austen's books. Mr. Darcy and Mr. Knightley are gentlemen - and therefore referred to as Mr. But Edward Ferras has a brother and that is why he isn't called Mr. Ferras in the game. Because his brother was very nasty in the books AND also because the heroin in the books misunderstands a message and think Edward has married another woman, when in fact it was his brother Robert that married her (leaving Edward free to marry the right girl). All this seems so obvious to me. But I forget not all know the books and so "my" kind of sense might not work for them I like your friends way of playing. I'm glad you brought him to the board |
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Post by normalphase on Sept 14, 2010 11:22:11 GMT -5
He has a really good point on there being a specific motivation for a scum captain to pull up such useful bits of information as opposed to nonsense. I'll chalk up the confusion over duvsie just scanning wickham or willoughby to him telling me just now he was starving and going for lunch. |
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Post by janebennet on Sept 14, 2010 12:22:47 GMT -5
Hi Normal, thanks for taking over my mason role, even if you only got to play for a Day or so.
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